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Hit the lamb with the flower

The two readings would be distinct in Latin, because the ablative used by itself (without a preposition) generally cannot indicate accompaniment -- you need cum for that -- but does indicate means or ...
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Hit the lamb with the flower

.1. If 'with' is translated by a participle instead of instrumental ablative, Incŭte agnum florem tenens (You with the flower hit the lamb) 'tenens' in the vocative to agree with the subject, "...
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Are vestiges or influence of the instrumental case in any way identifiable in Latin and Greek?

The instrumental -φι suffix in Homeric Greek seems to be derived from the PIE plural instrumental case, which apparently still existed in Mycenaean Greek. From Smyth's grammar (280): -φι(ν) is ...
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Which agents are human?

I think there is a semantic difference between "a Gnaeo" for the agent and "sica" for the instrument. The agent will be expressed in this way only in a passive sentence, but the ablative of instrument ...
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Which agents are human?

Ovid's Remédia Amórés 422 suggests that your grammar is mistaken and that non-humans with agency can be considered agents: Á cane nón mágnó sæpe tenétur aper. Cicero's Dé Officiís 1.68 suggests ...
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Are vestiges or influence of the instrumental case in any way identifiable in Latin and Greek?

According to Frisk, the omicron-stem seems to make an omega-ending with a few adverbs, while others in the a-stem will become an eta. The consonant stems can be found in compound words, and, in Frisk ...
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Can the ablative take a non-human agent or a human instrument?

Not only can animals and non-humans personified act as agent, but humans can act as instruments, as we see in Livy III.37: Et decemvirí, quí prímó tribuniciós hominés, quia id populáre habebátur, ...
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