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Why is “mecum” backwards?

Cum is a common preposition meaning "with" (as in "accompanying", not "using"). For example, if Caesar returned to Rome with his soldiers, that would be cum militibus suis. As a preposition, it comes ...
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“Oro Dominum” vel “Oro ad Dominum”?

Considerate Vulgatam. Exempli gratia, hi versiculi utuntur "ad" prepositione: Numeri 11:2: Cumque clamasset populus ad Moysen, oravit Moyses ad Dominum, et absorptus est ignis 4 Regnum 4:33 ...
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How do postpositions fit into Latin syntax?

In a comment on this answer, luchonacho comments that tenus is a preposition taking the genitive; this seemed odd to me, since I'd never considered tenus anything akin to a preposition. Tenus seems ...
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When to omit a preposition?

Consider 2 Kings, 16:1 in the Vulgate (2 Samuel in modern bibles): Cumque David transisset paululum montis verticem, apparuit Siba puer Miphiboseth in occursum ejus, cum duobus asinis, qui onerati ...
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Why would the prae­po­si­tion “per” ᴇᴠᴇʀ take an ab­la­tive in­stead of an ac­cu­sa­tive com­ple­ment?

ᴘᴇʀ + ᴀʙʟ.: Bar­bar­ism, solœ­­cism, or di­a­chron­ic evo­lu­tion? Lewis and Short clear­ly state that per is a prae­po­si­tion whose nor­mal com­ple­ment is in the ac­cusative. With­out hav­ing dol­...
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Can cases be replaced with prepositions + nominative?

Consider the word domus. Standard cases are domi, domo, domum, domo, domis. I wonder whether we could replace the above (and perhaps every single noun), with the "equivalent" preposition + nominative....
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How do extra and ultra compare?

The adverbs (and prepositions) extra and ultra are somewhat similar but not identical. While I can read the two dictionary entries and get an idea what they mean, I don't feel that I fully grasp how ...
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I'm really having trouble with “but” (as in “except”) in this phrase

I'm trying to say "No one but [i.e. except] love provokes me with impunity." where love is a metonymic stand-in for the person I love. I hope it makes sense. (You can read it as a personification if ...
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How is time period expressed in Latin?

How is time period expressed in Latin, e.g. "from Jan 1 to Mar 31"? I notice there are two prepositions meaning "from", "ab" and "ex". What's their difference? Which should I use for time period?
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Ne … quidem with preposition

What would be the translation of: He does not play even with his brother? Could it be: Ne cum fratre suo quidem ludit? Normally I have seen the structure ne ... quidem with a noun in the nominative ...
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Is the phrase 'Nec mea dona tibi studio disperta fideli' incorrect?

What is the difference between Ne mea dona tibi studio disperta fideli and Nec mea dona tibi studio disperta fideli and is the latter version, which differs in the single letter 'c' only, ...
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How do you show something from a window?

Suppose, for example, that a child is watching his dad come home from work. She can't wait any longer to show what she's got, so she goes to the window and shows her new teddy bear to her dad. How can ...
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Using pro and ab in place of ante and post?

I wanted to change windows to use the unabbreviated ante meridiem and post meridiem for A.M. and P.M., but they're one letter too long. Google Translate lists pro and ab as alternate translations for "...
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E pluribus unum or Ex pluribus unum?

I've seen the phrase in both wordings E pluribus unum and Ex pluribus unum. Which one is correct? See my follow-up question for the double meaning of this phrase.
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Praeparatio in + ablative or accusative?

I would like to know which case follows after the phrase "praeparatio in" in the sense of "preparation in (expectation of)" in English, for example. To use the above-mentioned example, would the ...
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Best translation for 'at sea'

What is the best way of translating 'at sea'? For example, "The sailors fought bravely at sea". The translation 'in mari' seems the closest to me, as opposed to the literal 'ad mare' and treatment ...
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Can a noun have more than one preposition? [duplicate]

While doing some independent translating, I came upon a sentence structure which I am having difficulty putting into Latin. The structure is as follows: into and out of the X of Y or, more ...
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What is the difference between Ob and Propter?

I am new to learning Latin, and I read on some random Latin site that "ob" means "on account of" or "because of". But, I thought that "propter" meant "on account of". Is there a difference in ...
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Prefix chaining in Latin verbs

In Greek, it is very common to chain more than one prepositional prefix at the beginning of a verb, e.g.: συν-εκ-βαίνω: "go out together" ἀντι-κατα-δύνω: "set over against" περι-εκ-χέομαι: "flow out ...
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Why “ex nihilo” instead of “e nihilo”?

I was helping a friend earlier with an English-to-Latin translation and we started talking about the prepositions "a(b)" and "e(x)", which lose their consonant if the following word begins with one [...
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Can conjunctions be used to join prepositions with the same object?

It is a characteristic of a certain kind of academic writing (or amateurish misconceptions thereof) to join prepositions by conjunctions with only one object. Some examples: The realization of the ...
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Concerning the Verbal “From”

I am attempting to translate a text from english to latin, and am unsure how to translate the word from when it is used in the context of a verb. An example would be: "I took from him..."; another ...
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Is 'extra' an adverb or preposition here?

At hæc causa (per notam II et III) non potest in ipsa natura humana contineri quandoquidem vera hominis definitio numerum vicenarium non involvit adeoque (per notam IV) causa cur hi viginti homines ...
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Can you place “et” inside a prepositional phrase?

I became curious about this question as I was translating a passage written by a textbook author. The passage begins, Poeta Ovidius fabulam de dea Latona et de femina Niobe narrat. (Latin via Ovid)...
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Libera te tutemet ex inferis vs. Libera temet [ipsum] ab inferis?

In a movie (Event Horizon, spoilers ahead), you have this Latin phrase they think they heard and what it ends up being : Liberate me... Libera te tutemet (ex inferis). There's always the ...
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Difference between super and supra?

Is there a difference in meaning between super and supra (both with accusative)? Would one indicate motion and the other one position?
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“With respect to” in mathematics

The expression "with respect to" is common in mathematics. Consider these example sentences: The derivative of x^2y with respect to y is x^2. Let us reflect the point A with respect to the line L and ...
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Is there a difference between 'a' and 'de' when the meaning is 'from'?

The Latin preposition de takes an ablative object and has several different translations including 'about', 'of', 'down from' and 'from'. The preposition a/ab also has multiple meanings including '...
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Are pro and prae etymologically related?

Pro and prae are somewhat similar in meaning and form. De Vaan isn't clear about whether they are related; he mentions Proto-Indo-European roots *proH or *pro, and *pre-h2i, respectively. Could it be ...
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“Argumentum ad” vs. “argumentum a”

Is there a difference in meaning between argumentum ad and argumentum a? Does the latter even have authoritative usage in Latin?* Here are some samples that I've found, not always from authoritative ...
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Why did Cicero switch from “abs te” to “a te” in his later works?

Lewis and Short, in their entry on ab, describe a shift in use of abs in Cicero's works that had far-reaching ramifications: The use of abs was confined almost exclusively to the combination abs te ...
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Are the two cums related?

In short, is there a relation between the preposition cum and the conjunction cum? It makes some sense that the conjunction would come from the preposition. One could interpret some cum clauses so ...
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When should the preposition *cum* be added as a suffix?

I was reading Plautus and came across quacum, which set in motion a few observations: Most beginning Latinists are familiar with the following constructions with first- and second- person and ...
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What's the correct way to say, in Latin, “creation within God” & “creation through God”?

A great swath of Christendom has, from as early as Augustinus Hipponensis, held that God created the universe ex nihilo, "from/ out of nothing." One of the motivations behind this has been to refute ...
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What is the purpose of repeating prepositions?

In Lingua Latina per se illustrata, chapter 7, there are several examples of phrases where a compound verb, using a preposition as a prefix, is used in conjunction with a lone preposition: Quid ...
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Prepositions/adpositions with genitive?

In Latin, there are prepositions that may be followed by a noun in accusative (like ad), ablative (cum) or both (in). I once thought ope was a preposition to be used with genitive, which I found ...
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“Fighting with someone” and the different uses of “with” in Latin

I am learning latin on my own and I came across this (quite comical) picture. When looking up the word "with", I found the following translations: apud, cum, per, and qum. But I am unsure of what the ...
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Why did Medieval Latin use “ad” with the accusative instead of just using the dative?

Part of Documents of Medieval Latin (page 14) states several differences between Classical Latin and Medieval Latin. One is an increased use of prepositions where Classical Latin used a simple ...
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Would it be good Classical Latin style to always use the preposition “ab” and never “ā”?

I understand from Lingua Latina per se Illustrata (chap. 6) that the prepositions ā and ab are equivalent, except that ā is used only before words beginning with consonants, while ab can be used ...
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What underlying semantic notions explain the meaning of 'against' for the preposition 'in'?

[Wiktionary :] 1. (governs the ablative) in, at, on (space)  [quotations ▼] 2. (governs the dative) within (time) 3. (governs the accusative) into, to  [quotations ▼] 4. (governs the ...