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Is this subjunctive used here due to indirect discourse?

The question comes from De Bello Gallico 1.35. ... Caesar legatos mittit: Quoniam ... hanc gratiam referret, ... haec esse, quae... What I've learnt is that quoniam takes indicative, but here ...
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imperfect subjunctive expressing pluperfect progressive tense?

We know that occasionally the Latin imperfect indicative is used for what we in English would express as a pluperfect progressive:   Et illis, quod iam diu cupiebant, novandi res occasio data est (...
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Can the subjunctive alone form a conditional's protasis?

The usual form of a Latin indicative sentence predicated on a condition is "Si V-ind, V-ind." The "Si V-ind" is the protasis and the "V-ind" is the apodosis. There is ...
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Being amazed at an adverb: subjunctive necessary?

Which is correct for "I am amazed at how fast it moves"? Miror quam celeriter movetur. or Miror quam celeriter moveatur. I'm thinking that since the movere verb is finite and subordinate ...
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Modalities for fictitious past: could have, should have, and would have

In English, the pattern [could/should/would + have done] is used for fictional expressions contrary to the fact, e.g. You could have done your work yesterday (but you have not). How to express such ...
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Why is this indirect command not expressed with "ut" + subjunctive?

In chapter XXVII of Lingua latina per se illustrata. Familia Romana I've learned that indirect commands are expressed with ut + subjunctive. For instance, in lines 109–110, we find Colōnō imperat ut ...
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et indicating two separate adjectives or one adjective qualifying another

In the following sentence the Loeb translated it into English as shown: His diebus locis temperatis et maritimis messis conficitur... ("During these days the harvest finishes in temperate places ...
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Use of subjunctive in translation of movie quote

I want to translate the phrase rise and rise again until lambs become lions into Llatin, with the idea of never giving up or daring to the impossible. My translation so far is surge et surge ad ...
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What conjunctive function does "ruat caelum" have in "Fiat justitia, ruat caelum"?

"Fiat justitia, ruat caelum" is often rendered as "May justice be done though heaven falls/may fall". While I have no problem with the translation of "Fiat justitia", I ...
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What are the meaning and usage of quodsi?

quodsi is a conj. meaning "but if", with "adversary force". Does it lead a conditional clause or a concession one? What does "but if" mean actually? Thanks.
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'diceres vocem eius audiri posse' in 'Fabulae Syrae' in the story of Arachne (pag. 83), what is the correct translation of diceres?

In 'Fabulae Syrae' capitulum xxxii, in the second story 'Arachne' (pag. 83) while depicting the tapestry that Arachne wove, including the scene of Europa being carried off by Juppiter, this line ...
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How would one express this type of conditional in Latin?

Out of optimism, stupidity or both I am attempting to translate Alice in Wonderland into Latin. I just came across this bit: “Well!” thought Alice to herself, “after such a fall as this, I shall ...
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How would to Romans pray to the gods: imperative v. subjunctive

I have seen some prayers in the second person present imperative in church Latin. I have also heard from a Latin teachers that the Romans would pray using the subjunctive (I would guess this would use ...
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how 'nunc' is used as a correlative?

I came across this sentence in Jerome's letter to Innocentius: "Nunc mihi ēuānēscentibus terrīs ‘caelum undique et undique pontus’ nunc unda tenebrīs horrēscēns et caecā nocte nimbōrum spūmeī ...
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Under what circumstances is the interrogative subjunctive used?

I know that sometimes I see the subjunctive used when the person is asking a question of fact. However, it isn't clear why they would use the subjunctive mood versus the indicative. For example, there ...
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'fuam' and 'forem' not available in first and second person plural?

I found alternative forms of present and imperfect conjunctive forms of 'esse' on the german-latin dictionary website https://latin.cactus2000.de/showverb.php?verb=esse&form=esse : I realized ...
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Subjunctive αἰδέσεται rather than αἰδέσηται?

Homer several times uses the subjunctive αἰδέσεται. I would have expected this to be αἰδέσηται, and wiktionary agrees with me. I guess the lack of an augmented initial vowel is a hint that this is a ...
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Dominus vobiscum / omitted `esse' in subjunctive mood (sit)?

In Catholic liturgy, there is this ubiquitous expression used to join or precede important prayers where the priest salutes the assembly by wishing (or so I think) that the Lord be with them: Dominus ...
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Cum clause with an indicative verb

Good day. I have been using the book Latin to GCSE 2 to study cum clauses recently. The chapter that I have been reading really drives home the point that they are used with the appropriate tense of a ...
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Does "Ob Eam Causam" introduce an indirect question

I apologize if there's an obvious answer here I'm missing, but I can't figure out why this line from De Bello Gallico 5.33 is subjunctive: "At Cotta, qui cogitasset haec posse in itinere accidere ...
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Why subjunctive mood in this sentence from a Vatican document?

In this recent question we looked at the following sentence from the apostolic constitution Provida Mater Ecclesia: § 2. Instituta, salvis communibus iuris canonici normis quae ipsa respiciant, ...
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iuvare ut + subjunctive

In English, I might ask you to "help me [to] do" some task. Would the most (classically) idiomatic Latin equivalent be an ut clause (e.g., "iuva ut faciam ...")? My only reason for ...
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Why subjunctive in "Cumque transissent septem dies..."

I'm working my way through the Vulgate and in Genesis 7:10, the text is: cumque transissent septem dies aquae diluvii inundaverunt super terram transissent here is third-person plural pluperfect ...
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Servus dominum orabat ne se verbera–

Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata, cap. XXVIII, pensum A (p. 230) begins by asking the reader to fill in the blank in this sentence, with the appropriate conjunctive imperfect conjugation: Servus ...
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Does the indefinite pronoun/determiner "quă" only exist as an enclitic?

I recently learned that there is an indefinite determiner and pronoun quă used in the feminine nominative singular and neuter nominative/accusative plural with the sense "any(one)" (...
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Why would the subjunctive be used when the indicative seems to be required?

In the following passage from Fabulae Faciles: Amāzonēs impetum virōrum fortissimē sustinuērunt, et contrā opīniōnem omnium tantam virtūtem praestitērunt ut multōs eōrum occīderint, multōs etiam in ...
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Subjunctive with adverb “quam”

Passage: “Quam autem civitati carus fuerit, maerore funeris indicatum est.” Cic. Amic. 11 My translation in English: «Moreover, how dear he was to the citizenry was indicated by the grief of his ...
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A Completed Action in the Mind OR Indirect Speech?

There are currently two theories (of which I am aware) to explain the use of the perfect subjunctive, in examples from the Latin Vulgate, included in brianpck's answer to Q: Memento quod <...
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(Informal) Indirect Speech

In Q: Memento quod <subjunctive> brianpck cited five examples from the Latin Vulgate (Fourth Century). Taking one of these: "memento quod et ipse servieris in Aegypto et eduxerit te inde ...
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Why the Perfect Subjunctive?

In this question, R.B. Jawad asked for a translation of two sentences. The second of these: "canuntur quando reversi fuerint et appropinquant regias ecclesie (sic)." was translated by brianpck: ...
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Livy Book 1 27.1 type of subjunctive, sequence of tenses

Invidia vulgi, quod tribus militibus fortuna publica commissa fuerit, vanum ingenium dictatoris corrupit. What kind of subjunctive is fuerit and why. What tense is corrupit — perfect with or ...
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What is the difference between Future Perfect Indicative and Perfect Subjunctive

In Reginaldus Foster's text book Ossa Latinitatis Sola, he states that, apart from the First Person Singular, the forms for Future Perfect Indicative and Perfect Subjunctive are the same. And, indeed, ...
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Subjunctive mood in Latin

Should I say "Velisne/Velitisne panem?" To mean "Do you want/would you like some bread? Or would I use Visne/Vultisne? So, would I use subjunctive to ask or the indicative mood?
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Why was the subjunctive mood 'so called because the Greek subjunctive mood is used almost exclusively in subordinate clauses'?

Concerning the adjective "subjunctive", OED (3rd ed., 2012) mentions (emphasis mine): Post-classical Latin subiunctivus is a translation equivalent of Hellenistic Greek ὑποτακτικός , which as a ...
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Use of "sit" instead of "est" in Virgil

I came across the quotation "Nunc scio quid sit amor" (Virgil, Ecl. VIII.43), and I’d like to know why the subjunctive "sit" is used instead of "est" here. Since it means "Now I know what love is" and ...
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Subjunctive mood in comparison

In Spinoza's Ethics we see: nihil in natura clarius quam quod unumquodque ens sub aliquo attributo debeat concipi I know meaning of the sentence. My question is about debeat. Why is this verb ...
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weird pluperfect subjunctive in Eutropius

In Rōma Æterna, p. 239, in a passage from Eutropius, book 28, comes the paragraph: P. Scīpiō in Hispāniā cum Poenīs dēbellāvit quārtō decimō annō eius bellī; et ā Tarracōne in Āfricam ad Syphācem, ...
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Ethics of Spinoza - Translation of "sit" and "satis"

Spinoza's ethics, On the God, Proposition 8, Scholium 2: ut satis attendenti sit manifestum 4 translations of this sentence: White: as is evident to any one who pays a little attention Shirley: ...
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Deploying "Ut"/ "Quod"/ "Quin" plus Subjunctive

The use of ut + subjunctive in final/ purpose clauses is well-known/ well-established. But "quod" & "quin" seem to be deployed in near-identical circumstances e.g. in Ex 197 (North & Hillard): ...
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Sequence of Tenses: Translating the subjunctive

This is probably a pretty basic question, but I am new to Latin and am having trouble understanding the subjunctive. The sentence "Pūgnāverō ut nautam superem" is translated to "I shall have fought ...
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Present Subjunctive Passive

North & Hillard Ex. 213; Q5: the following is to be translated into Latin: "I am willing to send anyone at all to find out what is going on." The answer: "volo quemvis (quemlibet) mittere ...
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Accusative in genitive relative clause with verb finiebat

I am working on Satyricon, currently chapter 30, and have stumbled upon a passage with a grammar that baffles me: Et quod praecipuē mīrātus sum, in postibus triclīniī fascēs erant cum secūribus ...
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Expressing English modalities of advice in Latin

English has expresses advice in the present and past through the use of the following modal constructions: present: You should [...] present negated: You shouldn't [...] past: You should have [...] ...
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Wondering how to translate imperfect subjunctives (in a conditional sentence)

I have to translate this sentence for homework: si verba patris a liberis non audita essent, timerent. I believe the verb form in both the protasis and apodosis is imperfect subjunctive. I am ...
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Help finding the use of the subjunctive

In the sentence, "centurio nos rogavit ut captivos custodiremus," what is the use of the subjunctive. It's not a cum clause, indirect question, or result clause. That leaves purpose and indirect ...
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What is the difference between conjunctive present and perfect with ne?

I have seen both present and perfect forms of the conjunctive for negative orders or requests, for example ne canas and ne cecineris. What is the difference? Is one more an order and the other more a ...
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Why doesn't Caesar use the subjunctive consistently?

In the Commentaries, Caesar writes: Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae, propterea quod a cultu atque humanitate provinciae longissime absunt, minimeque ad eos mercatores saepe commeant atque ea ...
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Use of subjunctinve in a North & Hillard translation exercise

North & Hillard Ex. 228 includes: Next day Caesar had again an army which, though diminished, was prepared to face all dangers manfully. A footnote states: "Of the concessive conjunctions ...
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Reflexive Pronouns & Indirect Statements

The answer key to North & Hillard, Ex. 235 proposes the following Latin translation of:"...until the king, frightened by the ambassador's boldness, promised to do what the Senate decreed." ......
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When to use cum + subjunctive and when cum + indicative

So I have never, ever, ever been able to grasp fully any explanation in any textbook of when to use "cum" with the subjunctive and when to use it with the indicative, because the examples they give ...
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