There is a contraction from the regular visne to vin. Is the same contraction with -ne attested with other verbs in classical Latin? I don't recall seeing questions like loquerin Latine or haben equum or en Graecus. (Here *en < esne; I'm not referring to en ≈ ecce.) Is the phenomenon unique to velle?

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    I recall reading both sciesne and scin, but at least one of them in a modern translation (I think Harrius Potter et philosophi lapis.)
    – Rafael
    Commented Jan 28, 2018 at 17:48

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Weiss writes that

"The interrogative enclitic particle -ne becomes -n in Plautus when apocope produces an acceptable coda" (p. 147, footnote 79), i.e. *-Vsn- > *-V ̅n- (I.B.8.b, p. 169).

He gives the following examples:

scivin (Pseud. 977), vin (Curc. 313).

He also says that "[v]erbal forms ending in -s often lose the s with compensatory lengthening" (p. 147, footnote 79), e.g. nostin (found in Terrence and Plautus).

More examples from "Syntax and Stilistik" (Szantyr et al. 1965/2016):

ain (from ais-ne), audin, censen, pergin, scin, viden, vin (p. 461).

  • The macron over the V doesn't seem to render well for me. Perhaps V&#772; or V&#x304; would be better? I don't know how others see all these characters. I just posted a solution to the macron question that works with any letter.
    – Joonas Ilmavirta
    Commented Feb 2, 2018 at 16:04

I know of 2 others off the top of my head.

  • satin from satisne

    Plautus, Amphitruo 604:

    quas, malum, nugas? satin tu sanus es?

    Cicero, De officiis 3.73:

    quid ergo? satin est hoc, ut non deliquisse videantur?

  • scin from scisne, mentioned by Rafael in a comment

    Plautus, Amphitruo 671:

    scin quam bono animo sim?

    Cicero, Epistulae ad Atticum 1.13.4:

    tuus autem ille amicus (scin quem dicam? de quo tu ad me scripsisti, postea quam non auderet reprehendere laudare coepisse) nos, ut ostendit, admodum diligit, amplectitur, amat, aperte laudat, occulte, sed ita ut perspicuum sit, invidet.

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    I've seen "dan=dasne?"
    – user11898
    Commented Jun 10, 2023 at 0:42

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