For most verbs there are 4 future imperative forms, right?

Here an example:

But now I did research on deponents and found following table:

Now my question is if there are really only 3 forms of the future imperative for deponents or is there simply one missing?

Thanks for your answers!


You are right to note that a form is missing. It should be there, as there is no obvious reason why the passive voice (or, more importantly, deponent verbs) should not have it. But according the best current philological understanding, no such form ever existed or, if it did, no ancient Roman ever put it in writing.

I say the best current understanding, because it took philologists quite some time to arrive at this conclusion. For centuries, they thought the second person plural future imperative passive did exist and they also thought they knew exactly what it looked like; it was formed from the present stem with the suffix -minor. For example, this comparative grammar of Latin, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, French and English from 1827 happily lists laudaminor, moneminor, legiminor, puniminor. Amazingly enough, the form creeps up in grammar resources to this day, for example in this Italian Wiktionary entry.

This form goes back to some very old grammars; in particular it is found in the Instituta artium (wrongly ascribed to M. Valerius Probus, but in reality probably from the 4th century) and in Diomedes' Ars grammatica (also 4th century). The anciennity of these sources seemed to give credence to the form. In addition, a very small number of occurrences of this future imperative were found in a number of manuscripts, in particular in Plautus.

But in the nineteenth century, philologists realised that the form did not exist, in the sense that it was never used outside of grammars. The presumed occurrences where misinterpreted. The Danish philologist Johan Nicolai Madvig published volume 2 of his Opuscula academica, a collection of smaller writings of his, in 1842, containing a treatise with the title De locis aliquot grammaticae Latinae admonitiones et observationes, which sought to correct a number of mistaken rules which were widely taught by the grammars at the time. Section VI of the treatise, under the heading De formis imperativi passivi, refuted the -minor forms:

Ad extremum, ut ipsas formas verborum attingam, non meum inventum proponam, sed alienum confirmabo et amplificabo. Duodecim enim anni sunt, quum Krarupius, amicus meus, formam eam, quae in omnibus grammaticis secundae personae plurali futuri imperativi passivi adscribitur (amaminor, hortaminor, vereminor), negavit ullam habere auctoritatem. Nec tamen postea quisquam aut eam formam sustulit aut exemplum veteris scriptoris addidit; nam duo illa Plautina, quae Ruddimannus et antiquiores habent, summo iure Krarupius reiecit […]

Finally, to get to the forms of the verbs themselves, I shall not present something found by myself, but confirm and expand upon something found by another. For it is now twelve years ago that my friend Krarup denied that the form that in all grammars is ascribed to the second person plural future imperative passive (amaminor, hortaminor, vereminor) has any authority. But since then nobody has either removed this form, or else provided any new examples from an old writer; because Krarup rejects on good grounds those two Plautine examples which Ruddimann and previous writers name.

The friend seems to have been an otherwise relatively obscure person named Nicolaus Bygom Krarup, who had published a treatise De natura et usu imperativi apud Latinos in 1825. (So why twelve years? Because Madvig's piece had apparently first been published in 1837.) Scanning through it, I cannot really find an argument of the sort; perhaps he is referring to footnote 11?

I do not know if others came to the same conclusion independently, but in any event, since around the mid of the nineteenth century, this form seems to have vanished from Latin grammars.

  • Thanks for this awesome and detailed answer! – Cyb3rKo Nov 26 '20 at 5:40
  • I think you read in German, so you may want to take a look at the third volume of Neue and Wagener 1897 Formenlehre der lateinischen Sprache (p. 210) - it is still unsurpassed in its comprehensiveness archive.org/details/formenlehrederla03neueuoft/page/210/mode/… – Alex B. Nov 27 '20 at 3:59
  • hence a note in Leumann 1977 Lateinische Laut- und Formenlehre : "Bei späten Grammatikern stehen, in Paradigmen, auch Formen auf -minor" (section 423B. Deponens, 2/3. sing. und 3. plur. - note the omission of 2 plur. in the section title though). I do agree with the content of your post, but such artificially constructed forms, created by the late Latin grammarians, are still mentioned in some scholarly grammars of our time. – Alex B. Nov 27 '20 at 4:31
  • And of course I upvoted your answer :) – Alex B. Nov 27 '20 at 4:57
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    @AlexB. Indeed, the passage already exists in the first edition from 1861. It adds another presumptive (but invalid) example from Apuleius to “duo illa Plautina.” What I would really like to know is if, since the form was in the grammars all those years, it came to be used by any Neo-Latin writers eventually … in which case it wouldn't be fictitious anymore! – Sebastian Koppehel Nov 27 '20 at 12:39

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