Timeline for "gerund + genitive" vs "gerund+accusative" ("scribendo epistulas" vs "scribendo epistularum")
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| Apr 25, 2021 at 16:22 | comment | added | Mitomino | @BenKovitz The grammar of gerunds and gerundives is not an easy topic, which, in my opinion, makes it one of the most interesting topics of Latin syntax. For example, concerning the page you mention (§504), one of the gerundives that seems quite unexpected (at least to me) is the adverbal genitive that expresses purpose: e.g. Aegyptum proficīscitur cōgnōscendae antīquitātis (Tac. Ann. 2.59). If it is not an influence of Greek, I don't know how one could explain it within Latin grammar... | |
| Apr 25, 2021 at 14:25 | comment | added | Ben Kovitz | @d_e I've been looking at that page over and over. I'm still digesting it. It appears that I need to radically revise my understanding of gerunds and gerundives. BTW, the previous sentence from Cicero is right on that page! (§504) | |
| Apr 23, 2021 at 0:34 | comment | added | Mitomino | Both examples terit tempus scribendo epistulas and terit tempus scribendis epistulis sound natural in Latin (there is some preference for the latter (in Classical Latin), i.e., for the gerundive construction). What I'm wondering is why the gerund construction (scribendo epistulas) becomes ill-formed or very very marginal when preceded by a preposition: *in scribendo epistulas. In contrast, the prepositional construction with gerundive is perfect: see latin.stackexchange.com/questions/1144/… for related discussion. | |
| Apr 23, 2021 at 0:26 | answer | added | Mitomino | timeline score: 5 | |
| Apr 22, 2021 at 21:01 | comment | added | d_e | @BenKovitz, See the link to A&G in my question. When the gerund takes a direct object, a gerundive might be used instead. It is even preferred in some cases. | |
| Apr 22, 2021 at 18:07 | comment | added | Ben Kovitz | Doesn't terit tempus mean "he is wasting time"? And so terit tempus scribendis epistulis would mean "he is wasting time while there is a letter to be written"? And terit tempus scribendo epistulas would mean "he is wasting time by writing a letter"? | |
| Apr 22, 2021 at 17:57 | answer | added | Ben Kovitz | timeline score: 3 | |
| Apr 22, 2021 at 17:54 | answer | added | Unbrutal_Russian | timeline score: 4 | |
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| Apr 22, 2021 at 14:59 | history | edited | d_e | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Apr 22, 2021 at 9:12 | answer | added | Joonas Ilmavirta♦ | timeline score: 7 | |
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